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Ep. 13 | True Crime: Whatever happened to ol' Dead-Eye Charlie?


Calling all units: ⁣ Be on the lookout for two women discussing True Crime. Both short; one brunette, one redhead. Considered neither armed nor dangerous. Approach without caution (but π—ͺπˆπ“π‡ fries). ⁣ *Marked explicit due to subject matter


Do you have any thoughts on why more women prefer true crime than men? Are you a fan? Do you, like Christa, like to watch your "Murder Shows" -- your Datelines and 20/20s and documentaries and podcasts? What are some of your favourite true crime stories?


First, the latest Media Bias Chart just came out and it's interactive this time. (Also a little unwieldy, but they're working on it.) Basically, stay out of the red zone, be careful in the orange, yellow is reliable but opinionated, and green is good to go!



Here are some true crime stories that we mentioned in this episode, if you want to read more:

1) Elizabeth Short, The Black Dahlia

2) Selena Quintanilla, the Queen of Tejano music

3) The Clutter Family, who inspired In Cold Blood (Herbert and his wife Bonnie with his youngest children Nancy & Kenyon; older daughters Beverly & Eveanna were in college and not living in the farmhouse at the time)

4) The victims of the Freeway Phantom (below) -- Christa's memory was just a bit off on this one. It wasn't Atlanta in the 1960s, it was the DC area in the early '70s. This case has never been solved.








Does anyone else remember the 1980s sitcom My Sister Sam? Christa loved it and thought Patti was soooo cool. The ladies discuss Rebecca Schaeffer and mention that some good came out of it: her death prompted the 1990 passage of the first anti-stalking laws, as well as the Driver's Privacy Protection Act in 1994. (It shouldn't have taken her death for any of that to occur, but...at least they happened.)









Here are some other laws that were passed after crimes and named for the victims, including

AMBER Alerts:



Some books mentioned in this episode:

1) In Cold Blood

2) Fatal Vision

3) Death from Child Abuse...and no one heard



And the book we mention A LOT (and that Christa finally gave in and ordered):

Savage Appetites: Four True Stories of Women, Crime, and Obsession


The cover photo comes from one of the Nutshell Studies -- one of the ones that Christa REALLY wants the solution to, as a matter of fact.




And speaking of...! One of the four stories is about Frances Glessner Lee, whom we've mentioned before on this very podcast and even in this very blog. Here it is again:


Interested in the crime scene minis we talked about? They're called the Nutshell Studies of Unexplained Death and they are fascinating! Chicago heiress Frances Glessner Lee created them to help train detectives. Sometimes called the "godmother of forensic science", she created each scene down to the most minute details. She also provided witness statements and answers for each crime. The latter, however, are kept secret because these are still used for training. AAARRRGGGH! There are two in particular that I really want the solutions for. I have my own ideas, of course, but I must know for sure! Perhaps it'll be more fun to pore over them for several years and come up with my own solutions. There's a little documentary narrated by John Waters that you can watch, too.

Cases that were solved or re-opened because of podcasts:



More book recommendations:



Susan Klebold's TED Talk:


Christa's big recommendation for 2019:


Articles we found after we recorded this episode:






And for those of you wanting to know the crime Ben told Christa about...the very first crime committed just to become famous...the one she couldn't remember and thought it had to do with a murder in 19th-century England...


Well, it's this guy:




Herostratus. He burnt down the Temple of Artemis in Ephesus way back in 356 BCE just to make a name for himself. Success -- this is where the term "herostratic" fame comes from! (He, uh, didn't live much longer after that.)




So...you know...it's close to murders in 19th-century England.





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